[Herald Interview] Korea needs to change ways of reforming chaebol: FTC chief


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It is easy to misread Kim Sang-jo, the chairman of the Fair Trade Commission, who is well known as an erudite scholar and a passionate anti-chaebol activist. Ever since he was named to head the nation’s top watchdog in June 2017, views have clashed between those that forewarned an end to the heyday of South Korea’s conglomerates and those that impugned whether the “chaebol sniper” would live up to his nickname.

Halfway through his three-year tenure, Kim has completed the exhausting task of conjuring up revisions to the country’s Fair Trade Act for the first time in 38 years. His proposal has been passed on to the National Assembly for review after being approved by the Cabinet last month. And Kim remains the target of criticism from both sides of the political spectrum — either for “stepping back” from his reform drive or “excessively hindering” business.

Sitting down for an interview with The Korea Herald on a snowy morning on Dec. 13, Kim was very much the animated figure one would expect, sincere in manner and never shy of words.

Despite the reputation he has acquired, the chairman gives the impression of being more of a moderate than many people might realize — even, by his own admission, to the point of ambivalence.

Professing that chaebol are a “valuable asset” for Korea’s economic future, Kim said his push for reform is intended not to do away with them, but to make them competitive.

“I have always thought hard about whether the commonly perceived methods of reforming chaebol would still be fitting for the 21st century,” he said, referring to the three most commonly cited ways to change chaebol — by reviving the ceiling on equity investment, toughening the separation of industrial and financial capital, and eliminating cross-shareholding.

Underscoring his view that these three approaches to chaebol reform are neither the only solutions nor a comprehensive solution, Kim said it was his mission not to repeat the mistakes of past administrations by acting as if they were.

“If I fail or retrocede on reforming chaebol, my career life would have been futile. I am responsible for making the Moon Jae-in government fulfill the sole opportunity to reform chaebol.”

He said the gist of what he believed to be true reform was to put an end to “gapjil,” unfair business practices employed by market monopolies, as well as inter-affiliate trading. Doing away with both is the main objective of the FTC’s proposed bills to amend the Fair Trade Act. 

Kim Sang-jo, chairman of the Fair Trade Commission (Park Hyun-koo / The Korea Herald)

Among other things, the bills strengthen multilayered oversight of large businesses. They would set stricter definitions of conglomerates, lower the threshold for limits on inter-affiliate trading and introduce a compulsory cumulative voting system. The FTC also wants to relinquish its exclusive right to investigate suspected cartels by sharing that authority with the prosecution. The proposed amendments would also fortify a company’s right to defend itself. Much of the content of the bills is hotly contested, both by proponents and opponents.

With regard to the persistent debate, Kim said he does not hold to an “all or nothing” mantra and that he hopes the legislators can review and pass uncontroversial bills first.

During the interview, Kim also discussed recent moves by foreign businesses, including the joint statement signed by five foreign chambers of commerce including the American Chamber of Commerce last month, which raised issues with the FTC’s investigative methods as well as other regulatory constraints in Korea.

Underscoring his belief that the FTC should “never be swayed by nationality,” he said the execution of laws to promote fair competition should never become a trade issue.

“There are regulations that only exist in South Korea, but there are also regulations that exist in advanced economies but not in Korea,” he added. Kim also said he humbly accepted the criticism and that the FTC revisions were also intended to improve procedural fairness in the FTC’s investigations, regardless of the nationality of the firm.

Underlining the point that every country has its own unique economic system — for example, the chaebol system is unique to Korea — Kim said the separation of ownership and management does not have to be the standard in all other economies as it is in the US.

While he conceded that the public had reason to feel the domestic economy was approaching a crisis, Kim argued that the “retrospective way” of preventing a crisis by giving free rein to large conglomerates and hoping for a trickle-down effect would no longer work.

When asked what he would like his new nickname to be toward the end of his tenure, instead of “chaebol sniper,” Kim said he would like to be known as an “evolutionary reformer.” This reflects his view that ways to reform the market also need to evolve with time.

Below are some excerpts from the interview:

The Korea Herald: Many hurdles lie ahead before the FTC’s Fair Trade Act revisions can be passed due to its controversial nature. How optimistic are you?

Kim Sang-jo: In Korea, the fair trade law appears to be perceived more as a chaebol reform law than a competition law. Some people still call for traditional ways of reforming conglomerates. They are the revival of the ceiling on the total amount of equity investment, toughening of the stance on separating industrial and financial capital and (eliminating) cross-shareholding. But I found the revision of the fair trade law based on the three things are no longer economically right.

For the revival of the ceiling on the total amount of equity investment, it is neither possible nor economically rational. For the ban on cross-shareholding, it is already resolved in many large companies. For the separation of industrial and financial capital, although it is important, it is focused only on a few conglomerates, or on Samsung only (which is already tackled within the system of the Financial Supervisory Service).

For the overhaul of the fair trade law, I focused on making regulations that can fit into the economic climate of the 21st century.

It is based on four principles … the adoption of competition principles in enforcing competition law; predictable and sustainable rules and regulations on large companies; strengthening credibility and transparency of law enforcement; and establishment of an innovative ecosystem.

For the final legislation, we do not take a risky all-or-nothing approach. Instead, we split (it) into small categories so that bills with less controversial issues such as focusing on innovative growth can be passed first.

KH: You and the FTC under your leadership appear to be the subject of two contradictory views, of being either too lenient in taming conglomerates or too excessive in restraining businesses.

Kim: It is true that my moves appear to have both sides, but I always maintained I will walk the middle line by not being swayed to either side. In a friendly environment, such a stance can yield many accomplishments, while on the other hand, it could be lambasted by all sides.

To the people calling for stronger regulations, I want to tell them the three things I mentioned earlier are neither everything nor the only thing in chaebol reform. Rather, they have been factors in the failure of Korea’s chaebol reform over the past 30 years.

The key to chaebol reforms, I think, is to make fair trade as a solid practice in the market so that the public can experience fairness in their daily life and in their economic activities. To resolve the unfair transactions between small and large companies, and to ban intra-trading deals within affiliates are the two most important challenges I have taken on during my tenure.

On the other hand, to the people who say the overhaul of the fair trade law is suffocating businesses, I want to assure them that chaebol is not something to be toppled down. They are valuable assets for the Korean economy. The problem lies in how the success story of the past can still be applied for the future, which in fact damages our future. What is truly (important) for businesses is to maintain and reinforce their competitiveness.

KH: What would you like to be called after your tenure?

Kim: Instead of my current nickname, “chaebol sniper,” which I might add I never asked for, I would like to be remembered as an “evolutionary reformer.” This is something I have (wondered about ever since my days as) a civic activist, particularly after the 2008 crisis, why it was so hard for the fair trade order to take root in Korean and the world.

I do not believe that every single person must take on the same purpose or the same approach. We need people that chant revolution on the streets, we need people that try to embed such zeitgeist into reality. I am trying to complete the candlelight revolution by evolution.

(Yonhap)

KH: After becoming a public official, having previously been a civic activist and academic, you may have hit the wall of reality.

Kim: You might think of it as a surprise, but there are not that many things that came as a surprise to me after becoming FTC chairman. Over the past 20 years, I have always met with many government officials, journalists, lawmakers and companies. I was, to some degree, aware of what the FTC was doing and what it was concerned about. That is why the road map for the three years of my tenure, which I established when I assumed the office, has not changed even after a year and a half.

KH: Lately, James Kim, chairman of the American chamber of Commerce in Korea, reportedly remarked that Korea’s FTC tends to treat companies under investigation as criminals. What is your response to the remarks, which must be representative of foreign companies doing business in Korea?

Kim: It goes without saying that the issues the FTC is dealing with in terms of foreign companies, such as Qualcomm, Apple and Google, must be highly sensitive ones. I am aware that as the chief of AmCham, it was his role to deliver that message.

But my core principle is that the FTC should never be swayed by nationality. When the execution of the competition law becomes trade issues, it will create huge costs. The existence of the FTC is to maintain and improve the fair order in the market and that has nothing to do with nationality. The FTC is dealing with Apple and Google but also Naver and Kakao.

I will humbly take the criticism and we will make more efforts to serve the FTC’s true role of improving the fair trade regardless of nationality, and for the implementation of the FTC’s mission to be economically rational and procedurally just.

KH: How do you view Hyundai Motor Group’s latest push to reshuffle in corporate governance and US activist hedge fund Elliott’s move in line with it?

Kim: This is a sensitive issue. Elliott’s understanding of Korean companies’ corporate governance had evolved from the past when it raised an issue with Samsung (over the merger of Cheil Industries with Samsung C&T). But, I find that its understanding of Korea still remains insufficient when I saw Elliott argue the only way to reform Hyundai Motor is to shift to a holding firm.

I do not believe that Korean conglomerates should be changed into a professional management system like those in the US. In actuality, the separation of ownership and management in the US can hardly be found in other countries.

As a hedge fund, there are bound to be restrictions as it does not have a commercial residence in the market or with some closely detailed investment strategies. But even under such consideration, Elliott faces gaps between its proposal and the persuasive effect it can have on the interested parties in Korea.

It is true that Elliott is an important stimulant to the Korean market, and it is also true that as insufficiently prepared as Elliott is, South Koreans are even more insufficiently prepared (to deal with it).

Particularly, the businesses and politics here must adjust their perception that all foreign investors are the same.

Back to Hyundai, in any country, the ownership and leadership of conglomerates can usually stretch as far as the third generation of their founders. At the third generation, the founding rights become much diluted. In that sense, it is a turning point for the third-generation leaders of Korean conglomerates. They know well that they should not run the companies in the same way their founders or fathers have.

For Hyundai, I consider it positive that it is making efforts to improve corporate governance in an irreversible way despite it going through business difficulties. 

KH: You have previously said that the theory of economic crisis is largely an ideology (in 2012). Do you still maintain that view at this juncture, where many are concerned that the Korean economy is going downhill?

Kim: The word “crisis” is interpreted differently by ordinary people and economists. In 1997 there was the currency crisis and in 2008, the banking crisis. From an economist’s perspective, I do not believe Korea is in a crisis. But right now, as ordinary people feel a sense of crisis, it is the duty of the state to make due policies.

I first described the crisis theory as conservatives’ ideology for the first time in 1990. I used it to describe how they diagnosed the cause of many crises with the theory of high cost and low efficiency. And some 20 years later, they held onto the same diagnosis.

Many conservatives tend to regress in time when trying to mend the difficulties, going in favor of giving unlimited freedom to large companies and expecting a trickle-down effect. They believe economic difficulties should be addressed in the way of lowering costs, such as production costs, wages, regulations, rental fees and housing prices, and thus raising efficiency.

While it is true that economy cannot stay only within the realm of economists, the discussions at present tend to lean toward political ideologies.

I think we are at a juncture of seriously contemplating how to save the economy, how to change the paradigm, and my personal belief is that we cannot do so by stepping back in time. 

By Lee Joo-hee and Shin Ji-hye
(jhl@heraldcorp.com), (shinjh@heraldcorp.com)


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